2525 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 241 ft. lbs. Same goes for the Mach IV and Fireball, although the velocity difference between the two bullet weights is less in them. shooting benches using a Caldwell Lead Sled rifle rest. The spherical powder flows smoothly and precisely through a measure, so powder is dispensed directly into cases to reduce loading time. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. The 24.0g of IMR 4350 with a Rem 7 1/2 (Warning do not use a thin cup primer with the 17 Remington) 25g bullet = 4100+ Decopper your barrel frequently, use good bronze bristle brushes often and throw them away after 100 strokes. The jacket has a thinner tapered front section with an expanded bearing surface and a long secant ogive. The powder produced good accuracy and velocity with bullets cast from an RCBS 45-405-FN mould and fired in a Marlin 1895 Guide Gun .45-70. * We tested two different Marlin Model 917VS and Ruger K77/17VMBBZ rifles. The 25 gr. Knowledge is the most precious Ive burned a lot of Accurate 4064 in the .22-250 and .243 Winchester. The .35 Remingtons rim was slightly larger, at 0.460 inch, and the case was a little shorter, 1.92 inches versus 2.03 inches for the other Remington rounds. Extreme velocity spreads were fairly low with all three powders: 12 fps with A-4350, 11 fps with H-4350 and 16 fps with IMR-4350. You need initial penetration before expansion within the vital area otherwise nasty surface wounds are all that prevail, and therefore I would stick to 20 grain or even 25 grain as a minimum for foxes (unless very close) and 15 grain to 18 grain for rabbits. I fired a couple of loads with the Barnes 180-grain TTSX in the Outfitter single shot, but I must emphasize that these pointed bullets are suited only for single-shot rifles or pump guns or autoloaders and should not be used in guns with tubular magazines. JavaScript is disabled. It never failed, allways shot them behind the shoulder. The .17 caliber rimfire cartridges include the .17 M2, .17 HMR and .17 WSM. After that, if you are still not getting While the accuracy with most of them was okay, the velocities of some of these powders were pretty lackluster, and these loads are shown mostly for reference only. I do NOT recommend this load for any other 41 Mag revolver. It is a reliable slayer of white-tailed deer and black bear at the moderate ranges at which these species are taken, it has plenty of power for the job, and it is adequately accurate for these hunting chores. is recommended for this task. The Remington factory load of a 25-grain bullet travelling at approximately 3,900fps (from my rifle) generating 845ft/lb energy is great if you do not want to reload. Then you seem to have a .244, not a 6mm Remington. With the Hornady 200-grain RN, a charge of 44.0 grains gave a velocity of 2,145 fps, with a muzzle energy of 2,044 ft-lbs. Accuracy for a charge of 44.0 grains of LVR was excellent at 0.90 inch. It is my fox calibre/combination of choice and, when fed 25 grains of my beloved RL15, that elongated needle of a projectile steps out just shy of the 4,000fps mark at 3,975fps still good enough. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. All proved to be The spherical powder flows easily and precisely through a powder measure. The .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (.17 HMR) cartridge is based on a .22 WMR case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. Both bullets have been pretty accurate with a little load work up. This American-made, fast-burning, double-based powder is suited to small capacity cases like the .22 Hornet and 7.62x39, and it is also useful for lightweight bullets in the .223 Remington. tried to do our shooting on calm days. In my opinion, as a dedicated varmint rifle it has a lot to offer the British shooter if used sensibly. If the loaded round is ejected, this can cause the bullet to be stuck in the throat. In addition to the soft polymer tip, the FTX has a high antimony core, and the jacket has the InterLock ring for reliable penetration and good expansion. Ackley created his first .17 caliber wildcat by necking down the .30 Carbine case. Loading 40 grains each of the three 4350s with Sierra 100-grain GameKing bullets in a .243 Winchester rifle. other loads were chronographed from a Ruger 77/17VMBBZ. velocity/energy figures for this load are 2050 fps and 159 ft. lbs. Oh, and it still has minimal recoil. the Isaac Walton rifle range, located in the forested hills south of sport, so these results are more indicative of real world performance. This improves not only accuracy, but also the trajectory of the FTX is slightly flatter than that of roundnose bullets. As with the 6.5 Creedmoor, it performs best on elk when loaded with tough, deep-penetrating bullets. five .17 HMR loads. These last two perform better in faster twist barrels, which really gives the reloader a lot of scope when producing their own ammunition. The best load I ever came up with was; Bullet Remington's 25gr HP, when you could get them, you may find a few still around if not {Substitute Hornady 25gr HP} The powder charge I used was; On the primers for a .17 Remington; I used Federal 205, 205M, CCI BR-4, CCI 450, and CCI#41 {the #41 was a mistake} WSR, RWS 4033 and Russian KVB-223 all properly seated. As part of this comparison we decided to chronograph the hollow-point (JHP) varmint bullet at a claimed muzzle velocity (MV) of Typically, groups with each rifle are fired for record by three or four Guns and Shooting Online staffers and/or contributors. Ruger No. at 3,400 fps and zeroed the same is down three inches at 100 yards. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. The Berger bullets, to date, have all achieved an unblemished record of one-shot kills with tiny entry holes, total expansion within the body cavity and no exits on medium sized, and sometimes smaller, foxes. Turning to the Speer FN bullets, the 180-grain version favored a charge of 46.0 grains at 2,316 fps. yard velocity/energy figures for this load are 1873 fps and 132 ft. lbs. Dimensional differences between the two cases are so slight that load data for the two are interchangeable. CCI's published 100 yard These are 5-shot groups fired at 100 yard targets. ft. lbs. Thats as fast as any powder has shot that bullet weight from my 7mm Magnum. Loading up If not, the bullet comes apart in the barrel or on the way to the target. load in a winchester mod. I calculated the There is a great deal of variation in .22 Hornet brass. Try 25 or 50 yards. The Western Powders manual lists Hornady 250-grain roundnose bullets with a velocity of 2,500 fps when paired with 52.0 grains of A-2015. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. All Rights Reserved. V-MAX bullet at a MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 ft. lbs. 136 ft. lbs. The Lee Factory Crimp Die (#90828 for the .35 Rem.) A form die set is required if .221 Fireball cases are used, but those lucky enough to find Remington .17 Fireball brass can simply run them through a .17 Mach IV full-length sizing die, add primer, powder and bullet, and head for the varmint fields. Most .17 caliber bullets are much lighter than those of .22 caliber, and that makes them greatly dependent on high velocities for quick kills on varmints. All this gives the FTX a higher ballistic coefficient of .300 versus .195 for a roundnose bullet of the same weight. You find load data for cartridges in caliber .17 Rem. The other top-sellers are the .17 Mach IV, .17 Rem., .17 Fireball and Hornadys .17 Hornet. All Rights Reserved. But I and my customers experienced an almost Zen-like target using my commercial 230g Golden Saber SD load. fps; extreme spread 35 fps; average = 2609 fps. (I used Hornady dies in my Redding T-7 Turret press to prepare the handloads for this article. The CCI TNT load uses a 17 grain Speer TNT jacketed Remington surprised everyone by legitimising the .17 by not domesticating the .17/223 cartridge, as expected, but by using the .223 case and pushing the shoulder back, therefore producing a longer neck. went on to be chambered in Remington Model 14 and 141 pump actions, the Model 81 semiautomatic, and the Model 30 bolt action. group 1-3/4"; mean average group = 1-1/8". These bullets fired slightly at a velocity above 1,600 fps are pretty much at full-power from the Marlins 18.5-inch barrel stiff recoil verified it. FEDERAL Premium V-Shok: smallest group 11/16"; the average group size between 1.125 MOA and 1.531 MOA across all five The reloader can choose from a great selection of traditional and high-tech 7mm bullets - from 100 to 175 grains. Years ago, a friend who worked at Remington informed me that more Model 700 rifles in .17 Rem. Pressures are about 20,000 pounds per square inch (psi) with 12.0 grains of A-5744 and Lymans 225646 55-grain cast bullet in the .223. This pleasant outdoor facility offers target stands at The most unusual result from our chronographing is that A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. 6.8 Western 100 yards with the 17 Grain V-MAX bullet at a catalog MV of 2550 fps. I prefer to zero a varmint rifle for its maximum point The second rifle is a Traditions Outfitter single shot. I have experimented with H380, Varget and other powders and they all work well. Winchesters Model 1894 lever-action rifle made its debut that year, and it became immensely popular. As for propellants, the hands-down choice with all bullets is LVR from Hodgdon, so lets look at the LVR loads. and similar-sized cases is good ol H4895. Loading the .17 is really good fun and today there are enough good bullet manufacturers producing high-quality bullets to get the best from the calibre. Similar threads 17 fireball and reloader 10 bobcat93 Apr 12, 2016 Reloading Forum (All Calibers) Velocity 3025 with 168s, 2975 with 180s. Similarly with the 18 grain, 24 grain of RL15 yielded only 3,875fps and an increase of one grain to 25 grain topped out at 4,222fps. v-max, seated .020" off the lands. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. Deer seasons in the UK. This is in my opinion an exceptional load as it will not only make small groups but also makes a very good roe deer load and all that at a very reasonable price. Accurate 2230 is a fast-burning, double-base powder. But he became best known for the development of wildcat and improved cartridges bearing his name. A dose of 43.0 grains of LVR gives it a muzzle energy of 2,219 ft-lbs. Choose the most accurate and effective bullet weight in your own gun. Accurate Arms started way back in 1946 as Accurate Arms and Machine, a gun shop in Chicago that sold surplus powders. Unfortunately, most of this success is due to its widespread use in semi-automatic rifles. 70 and a sako vixen is: Rem case , cci bencrest pr., 21.2 gr. Contributing Editor for RifleShooter Magazine, Brad Fitzpatrick gives us a review of this modernized version of an iconic favorite. respectable groups, either you or your rifle is probably the source of Available as a flat-base design or Maximum Expansion Factor (MEF) bullet, both provide super-fast velocities coupled with a very flat trajectory and sheer on-target energy transfer. .17 Remi Westerns data guide shows 45.0 grains of the powder in the Swift firing a 50-grain bullet at 4,035 fps. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. All shooting with our five .17 HMR rifles was done at The round isn't just fast. Joined: Dec 2015. When introducing the .17 Remington Fireball in 2008, Remington copied the .17 Mach IV case with the exception of a couple of dimensions. For smaller deer it should be literally a bomb. At 100 yards there is still a healthy 3,389fps velocity and 638ft/lb striking energy that is more than enough for humane despatches. CCI 450. The Berger reloading manual shows the exact same maximum powder charge weights for both. While velocities with this stick powder lagged a bit behind the LVR loads, accuracy in the Model 336 was 0.67 inch with the Speer 180-grain SPFN and 0.83 inch with the Hornady 200-grain FTX. Last edited by obaro; 04/10/20 09:18 AM. Remember: Powder charges below those listed in loading manuals are not recommended. This load shot a 1.05-inch group at 100 yards, with four of the bullets in .61 inch. Generally 1/2MOA or better. The Model 8 was offered in the .25, .30, .32, and .35 Remingtons. This powder also flows precisely through a powder measure. commodity on earth and we weren't about to waste what we had learned, Without the proper cleaning kit some shooters just left their barrels dirty and through this the stories of inaccuracy and bore-erosion started. One is the Marlin Model 336 lever action (made in 1975). became obvious that we were also, unavoidably, testing the ammunition Alternatives, getting heavy We have found the accuracy potential of all three cartridges to be excellent and essentially the same. CCI TNT: high 2613 fps; low 2517 fps; extreme spread Id say that is darn good accuracy for a cartridge invented in 1906. fun. Similarly, the 18-grain bullet, setting off at the same velocity of 4,300fps, has a greater energy figure of 739ft/lb and at 100 yards has dropped to 3,158fps and 398ft/lb, better than the 15 grain but not much. varmint bullet at a MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 ft. lbs. placed at a distance of 10 feet from the muzzle of the test rifle. In addition, as I mentioned earlier, Hornady makes the innovative 200-grain FTX bullet. Just because LVR was the best powder doesnt mean there werent other good performers. were shipped to Australian fox hunters than to dealers in the United States because it did not damage pelts as much as larger calibers. This means the bullet hits dead on at 145 yards and about 1.5" low at The chronograph was And which possesses a flat trajectory with a very small risk of ricochets, combined with little recoil? The .172 (not .177) calibre is tiny and the barrels, cleaning rods, powder funnels as well as good bullets, all proved difficult to source. CCI A17 load was chronographed using a Savage A17 test rifle with a 22" I'm shooting 24.5gr/IMR-4320 still shooting some Rem 25gr bullets. Powder and charge in grains: 70.7 grains of H1000 for 168s, 69.0 grains with 180s. A 15-grain bullet will exit a barrel at hair-raising velocities initially, Ive had more than 4,300fps with a near maximum load, that gives 616ft/lb energy at the muzzle. Seems like once I settle on a load, the bullet is discontinued. also used in CCI and Remington factory loads. most used cards in clash royale Let me hear some success stories in terms of accuracy with the CVA scout V2 converted over to a smokeless muzzle loader. It soon produced its own set of loading problems as all the sundries were small by definition. It is even more flexible when it can benefit from the lengthened sight radius of a long gun, which allows for a more. If the case is pulled off the stuck bullet, the powder charge will be spilled into the action. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. The Mossberg 500 Pump Action Shotgun is one of the most popular home defense shotguns on the market. Custom Mossberg 500 at the Range and Live Turkey!. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? ), A few precautions must be heeded when loading rounds like the .35 Rem. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I use a book max load of varget of 24.5g and 25 grain berger match HP's. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Ive burned several pounds of A-2700 in the .22-250 and Swift. The brass is good quality and it's great for reloading, and the loaded ammo isn't much more expensive once fired brass, which is hard to find for the .22 Hornet. HORNADY Varmint Express: high 2698 fps; low 2621 fps; extreme spread 77 fps; average = 2658 fps. The 220-grain bullet clocked 2,131 fps over 43.0 grains of LVR. It produced about the highest velocities of all the Accurate powders tested in the .223 with 40- to 60-grain bullets. 22 gr of Xbr 8208 was 4050, 23 of varget was 4100. Bought one several years ago, since I load 17HH and 17 Rem. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. Based on reloading die sales at RCBS, Ackleys .17 Hornet Improved is still one of the most popular cartridges of its caliber among varmint shooters. Case life is long, and barrel life is normally around 7,000 or 8,000 rounds (at least for minute-of-varmint accuracy) due largely to the modest pressures and rather small powder charges. A few .12 and .14 calibers emerged, but those of .17 caliber ended up being the most popular. Our .17 M2 ammunition includes Hornady, Remington and CCI brands, all using a 17 grain bullet at an advertised MV of 2100 fps. In the .257 Ackley Improved, the powder shot Sierra 100-grain Pro-Hunter bullets at 3,018 fps. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! Recently picked up another old Sako Vixen (L46) this one in 222 Rem Mag., and so far, best load is 26.5 IMR 4895, 50 gr. Need your favorite loads for 17 Remington, Re: Need your favorite loads for 17 Remington, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Madison, Wi. Uniform case lengths aid this process. Slower-burning powders, such as Accurate 2460 and Ramshot TAC, increase velocities with heavier bullets, but not all that much. Beyond that distance, the Swift was the clear winner at bucking wind and dropping whistle pigs in mid-munch. Remington and Federal cases were intermediate (at 148.4 and 151.3 grains respectively). It was the most accurate rifle and load I ever used. It offered longer barrel life, could be loaded to different velocity levels while retaining accuracy for increased versatility, longer case life, and it nearly duplicated the Swift's muzzle velocity. I'll be trying a load .5 gr. The Cooper Model 21 Varminter I have been using for about several years consistently squeezes five shots inside a half-inch at 100 yards with the various bullet weights. Following are the Average Overall Group Size test results for the various .17 caliber rimfire rifles reviewed by Guns and Shooting Online (measured in inches). I find that the 25/06 can use any powder that falls between number 112 (IMR 4350) and number 137 (Retumbo) depending on the bullet weight. The early models were chambered in a suite of cartridges that covered the American hunters needs. The .223 Remington was developed as a varmint cartridge. A more important metric, however, is downrange energy. (Ret.) In the .25-06, Hornady 75-grain V-MAX bullets topped out at 3,508 fps with 56.5 grains of the powder. at 3,800 fps has close to the same trajectory. The .35 Rem. different brands of ammunition, but to me the most interesting part of are the Speer 180- and 220-grain softpoint flatnose (SPFN). security jobs paying $30 an hour; most accurate 17 remington load And the recommended trim length is 1.910 inches. .17 Remington (Using Hornady Bullets) Warning! load exceeded its published MV by 45 fps, the Remington Premier load As always, it behooves anyone with a .17 HMR varmint Twenty-five-grain bullet weights are the standard factory offering, but I use 20-grain and 25-grain Hornady V-Max bullets with good results. with Hornady Manufacturing Company bullets either below or in our load database by clicking the 'Matching Loads' button above. You can trust these magazines day in and day out they are reliable, affordable, and widely available. The riflescopes Most Accurate powders are now made by General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems St. Marks Powder in Florida or Valleyfield in Quebec, Canada. The Cooper Model 21 Varminter I have been using for about several years consistently squeezes five shots inside a half-inch at 100 yards with the various bullet weights. exceeded its published MV by 59 fps, the Hornady Varmint Express ammo There is only so much powder you can burn efficiently down that tiny barrel diameter, and because of this, very small changes of powder weights can give skyward pressures and inconsistency, therefore change your powder weights by 1?10th increments. The 6.5 bullets have very high ballistic coefficients and sectional density for their weight. This rifle was It has a 22-inch barrel with a 1:14 twist, and it wears is a Traditions 3-9X 40mm scope. Future Publishing Limited Quay House, The Ambury, Bath BA1 1UA. A check of the Hodgdon Reloading Center website shows good velocities with Varget, IMR 4320, IMR 3031, H4895, and several others. The CCI A17 load uses a 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet at a 10 MPH crosswind this bullet will drift 3.3" laterally at 100 yards and When I prepare for the spring gopher campaign, I load a big batch of .223s with this powder and 40-grain bullets. 71 fps; average = 2775 fps. Absolutely uncanny.. Both LVR and H4895 shot well, and the velocities in the Outfitters 22-inch barrel were only marginally faster than in the Model 336s 20-inch barrel. All in all, the fine old .35 Remington continues to hold its own in the midst of new competitors. Subscriber Services. So if you find yourself in possession of a nice vintage rifle chambered for the .35 Rem., do not despair. September 21st, 2007 17 Rem Fireball Load Data Now Available Hodgdon powder has recently updated its interactive Reloading Data Center to include load information for the new 17 Remington Fireball. SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, Savage Model 110 Timberline 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle: Full Review, Casting Your Own Bullets for Lever-Action Rifles, .300 PRC vs. .300 Win Mag: Rifle Cartridge Comparison Review, The Colt Anaconda .44 Rem. Remington 7 1/2 BR. When both are loaded to maximum chamber pressures and fired in barrels of the same length, the Ackley cartridge is about 100 fps faster. The .32-40 and .38-55 blackpowder cartridges came first, as Winchester had not yet perfected harder, nickel-steel barrels for the jacketed bullets that were loaded later in smokeless-powder rounds. #9. h1000, 160gr AB's, fed215's and good brass will get you what your looking for. He was a college professor, a gifted machinist, a writer, a barrel maker, a bullet maker, a builder of rifles and an avid experimenter. Note: Complete reviews of all of these rifles can be found on the Product Reviews index page. WARNING: The loads shown here are safe only in the guns for which they were developed. This may have had a little to do with the wind because the group was strung out left to right a little bit. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the .22-250 Rem. I have a custom 7mmRM and load 73gr (this is over max) with a 160gr in a nosler case with a fed215m, .368 at 200yd @ 3130fps. with all common powders and bullets by clicking the "Loads in this caliber" button above. Location. 1-9/16"; mean average group = 1-1/4". The Sierra 200-grain RN is very similar to Hornadys, and it registered 2,198 fps with a charge of 43.0 grains of LVR; it grouped into an inch or less. The catalog 100 yard velocity is 1900 fps and the 100 yard Simply run a case through the Ackley full-length resizer and it is ready to load. energy is 135 ft. lbs. that the averages below would have been smaller if testing had taken After that, the die is set for head-spacing on the shoulder of the case. From Accurate 5744 to 4350, Accurate offers plenty of powders for varmint hunters, from the substantial .25-06 down to the pocket- sized .17 Fireball. a whopping 8" at 150 yards. The 17 Rem. If my 57-year-old eyes are clear that day. If this is the situation with the Model 336 at hand, the simple solution is to trim the cases about 0.010 inch shorter than the trim length noted earlier. Ballistic coefficients of those with plastic tips are considerably higher than the hollowpoints. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. The neck of the case will be shorter than on cases formed from .22 Hornet brass, but accuracy is the same and flickertails dont seem to mind. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. This American-made, double-base spherical powder is a slower derivative of A-2230. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. Here are the Berger bullet You must log in or register to reply here. Incidentally, in a At that pressure level with A-2460, 50-grain bullets were fired at nearly 3,600 fps from the .223, and 69-grain bullets were fired at close to 3,000 fps, again with great accuracy. The newest loading manuals, such as Speers Number 15 and Hornadys 11th edition, list loads for a bunch of new powders, so I had to give them a whirl.