Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. Just one example. Walmart woe. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. We lived close to one another. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Great communicator. Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Its totally irrelevant. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Patricia She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Very similar. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. They broke up in 1993. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. Incriminating words. Conflicting versions. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. No charmed life. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. No show. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Phone records dont lie.) I really never thought of it again.. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. She won't see them graduate from college. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. Patricia is a evil monster. DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. Its never been made clear. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father They are a joke. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Im dying. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. [emailprotected]. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Shes being well taken care of.. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. That woman has no soul. Weak wages. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. And NOBODY saw her at all? And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. At that time he was living in Connecticut. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Both were deceased. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. . Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Beautifully said Cliff! You took my family all in one night," she said. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. You should be ashamed of yourself. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. She was wrongfully convicted.. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. Meticulous primping. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Dial-a-problem. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Deal refused. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Patty is my cousin. He was happy. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. This story has been shared 114,982 times. Jealousy was the motive. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. I expect she will admit it one day. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. The first rule of a murder is motive. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Look into it.
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HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Her mother was married to my uncle. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. You murdered your girls," she said. You are absolutely right. WATCH LIVE: Ex-boyfriend on trial for allegedly killing womans new beau, WATCH LIVE: Psychic on Trial in Spousal Swindling Case, WATCH LIVE: XXXTentacion murder trial 3 men charged in 2018 shooting death of rapper, Law&Crime Looks Ahead to 10 Remarkable Criminal Trials Scheduled for the First Half of 2023, 9 Shocking Times Defendants Testified at Trial, A bald Alex Murdaugh appears in booking mugshot after hes sentenced to two life terms for killing wife and son, Im a father and I couldnt do this: Florida man convicted of murdering almost 3-month-old baby boy, Jan. 6th rioter who stole Officer Michael Fanones badge following Capitol assault pleads guilty, Former reality TV star gets life sentence for murder-for-hire plot targeting nephew, O.J.
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