I do have several annotated scriptures myself and they are from several different groups or editors A favorite is the New Jerusalem Bible, if for no other reason, it includes the deutero-canonical books of the OT such as Maccabees and Ecclesiasticus. Chuck said that the reason that many of these older manuscripts survived was because the early church did not trust them and so, they werent used and spared the damage which would have normally occurred to documents in continuous use. Being in the ultimate best group (your current religion is the correct one of course) is a very powerful aphrodisiac. Verse Analysis Compares the 1550 Stephanus Textus Receptus with the King James Bible. Who has bound the waters in His garments? CB I had to laugh as I was thinking nearly the same thing when I read you post. Amen (Matthew 6:13). Tyndale? Wilbur N. Pickering, Th.M Ph.D is qioted as saying (The King James Version and New King James Version are based on the Textus Receptus.) You know perfectly well that the omission of these texts in no way theologically threatens any Biblical doctrine. Denominations arise from different nationalities and immigrants bringing their Christian tradition to other countries (We see this in the U.S.) But denominationalism arises from the hypocrisy of Christians who divide based on prideful arguments. Are you afraid readers will get a conclusion contrary to your publishing bias? The Codex Sinaiticus is serving today as the basis for almost all modern Bible translations since the beginning . If somebody takes one of those dollar coins, it still looks like a lot money and I almost have a million dollars. the Minority Texts (primarily the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, based primarily on the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus). When I have tried this really no one had remembered what had been said. Did God speak directly to King James I and the various groups of translators assembled by him to produce the KJV for the English-speaking world??? It was discovered in the 19th century, surpassing Vaticanus as the most complete manuscript. How about logic? And again before the written word, the idea of memorizing what was said was not part of culture. Through this codex, the R.V. Nothing could be more errant than to write Catholics hate the Bible. See the works of Dr.Ivan Panin on internet concerning this and other issues.. BAS seems to use the Codex when it suits the notion that Yeshua was not the Son of God. Nevertheless, for many readers and contributors to this forum, there are things in that entry which they might not agree with; others might not bat an eye. Corrupt Path - The ' Minority Text' consists of only 5% of existing manuscripts . Thats pretty much identical to the late, great Chuck Smiths (founder of the Calvary Chapel movement) opinion. Most early English translations came from the critical version of this called Textus Receptus. Jews and Muslims to this day consider the destruction of their holy book to be a terrible sin, so Christian monks realising that they had a very misleading copy of the Bible on their hands would most likely act for the same reasons as I and in just the same way that I did.That very easily and practically explains Siniaticus and the explanation for Vaticanus is similar. The title says it all, and the constant attack on Gods Holy word to us by many. Everyones complaining yet the letter, sent from Juda to his apostles, in jerusalem warning of people corrupting the words of jesus clearly names jesus as a servant of god rather than the son of god if they were gods first companions why didnt they state so i mean jesus should have told them at from the beginning quite EXPLICITLY! http://purebibleforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65. Some of them date back to just 60-70 years from the original manuscript! A salvaged page of the Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherines Monastery recovered in 1975. Some modern versions of the New Testament, based primarily on the Alexandrian Text, have drawn many readings into question even though the readings are affirmed in ancient patristic compositions and are supported by the overwhelming majority of manuscripts. Let me point out that the oldest Bible on display in the United States is the Codex Just as a defective plant does not grow but dies so is the nonbeliever already dead. And We sent Noah and Abraham, and established in their descendants prophecy and the Book: and some of them are rightly guided, but many are rebellious. Codex Sinaiticus, also known as "Aleph" (the Hebrew letter ), was found by Count Tischendorf in 1859 at the Monastery of St Catherine on Mount Sinai. He discovered the first part in 1844 and the second part in 1859. Have a look at Proverbs 30:4 Unlike the KJV. Recently found my way back to God, after researching for many, many years other types of religions/beleifs. A piece here and a piece there but no even close to a complete speach. Craig Evans helped me to understand this seeming dilemma in his study the reliability of the New Testament Manuscripts. Ive now forgotten where and cannot find it. Your email address will not be published. Neither the original hand nor any corrector afterward in Codex Sinaiticus has the wording that Jesus was angry in Mark 1:41. The Codex Sinaiticus is allegedly 800 year older that that, and has had no special preservative treatment or conditions in all that time, yet the parchment condition is fresh, supple and un-oxidised. are parchment, or vellum, codices. Also, in Matthew 6:13, Codex Sinaiticus ends the Lords Prayer with the phrase but deliver us from [the] evil [one] (which is omitted above), but the doxology (for thine is the kingdom) is absent. Take a look at these two English translations. In the end I wonder,was this truly a omission,or could there be illness,war,fire or any other disasters?? The textus receptus was a shortened for of what was actually said Textum ergo habes, nun cab omnibus receptum, which can be translated as the [reader] now has the text that is received by all. So it wasnt that the text was recieved by anyone the translator was just telling everyone that THIS VERSION is the one that everyone should now use, and that was in 1633, a long time after the text was actually written by the authors. does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand We simply dont know what to believe anymore!. It was the most commonly used text type for Protestant denominations.. Codex Sinaiticus was discovered by Constantin von Tischendorf, a German evolutionist theologian, at St. Catherine's Monastery at Mount Sinai. Some linguists have examined modern Bible translationsincluding the New World Translationfor examples of inaccuracy and bias. My question about, neither the son is there think ian mportant thought, before general literacy the spoken word was all one had and the idea of quoting a past remark was not part of the culture. Who knew the reliability of their manuscrips than the monks at St Caherines? They knew exactly what Jesus was saying But for the Roman and Orthodox churches there would be no Latin or Greek scripture (on which all translations depend). contends that Tischendorf should be considered a hero, not a thief, Tischendorf on Trial for Removing Codex Sinaiticus, the Oldest New Testament., 3 Pilgrimage Paths from Galilee to Jerusalem, Dating the Oldest New Testament Christian Manuscripts, The Bethesda Pool, Site of One of Jesus Miracles, The Original Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls, https://www.faraboveall.com/015_Textual/SinVat_Galatians.pdf, https://www.faraboveall.com/015_Textual/SPLIT%20TEXTS_JETS_current.pdf, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukRCVDmiAts, https://books.google.com/books/about/In_the_Beginning.html?id=C8Nw_SN2zgYC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false, https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524, http://www.revisedstandard.net/text/WNP/id_3.html, http://purebibleforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNv-zzpIwBs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqBEuxGY7DI, http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200270815. How is it that these ancient manuscripts lay forgotten (Siniaticus) or ignored (Vaticanus) for 1500 years or more? As for the resurrection in Mark or not in Mark versus Sinaiticus..I think there are endless debates over the Long Ending and the Short Ending of Mark, with scholars evenly divided in their views. Galatians 4:6. Im trying to see if there has ever been any other number than 144,000 taken in the first biblical calling mentioned in Revelations. The woman caught in adultery from John 8 is omitted in Codex Sinaiticus. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.. Besides, thats what he tells us to do, ask. 4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. Any Greek representation of the New Testament is not factual as to the true text. Both the Codex and the KJV Greek manuscripts show the diety of Yeshua in different ways! the Majority Texts (Textus Receptus), and . What about the recognized theory that John is the first gospel written? W N Pickering points out that one of the major thrusts of modern versions is to undermine the authority of Scripture, by the use of enclosing parts of the text in brackets and have (ing) numerous footnotes of a sort that raise doubt about the integrity of the Text. AGF. Thanks. UNHOLY HANDS ON THE BIBLE, BURGON, GREEN, SOVEREIGN GRAC PUB. Scripture testifies to that truth time and again. Also there are several copies of the book of Matthew written in Hebrew. As a whole picture this breadth of 5,800 manuscripts agree with the gospel account. The King James and Tischendorf? How come these two were preserved when many thousands of others were not? Although the Diatesseron had some Textus Receptus readings in it, it was considered to be corrupted. Subversion is often of a greater danger than frontal attack. For his services to textual criticism and the understanding of biblical manuscripts, he was granted a Civil list pension in 1872. The text of Codex Sinaiticus differs in numerous instances from that of the authorized version of the Bible in use during Tischendorfs time. So, you admit there are serious problems with Sinaiticus bibles and also that the only thing of importance to you is you can still be saved using these bibles. I believe GOD has preserved his word as he said he would . And that was only a few years after it occured. The Apocripha/Deuterocanonicals is present in Sinaiticus. These are the manuscripts on which Westcott and Hort and the modern versions rely so heavily. They are significant. I believe that by the power of the Holy Spirit the mysteries will be revealed to those who seek truth. omits verses with a multitude of documented quotes by the earliest Pre-Nicene Christians including converts of the Apostles Paul, Peter, and John; all of whom certainly has autograph versions of the New Testament books. Perhaps one that shows there is far more unity and consistency in early Christian theology than disunity and change, as this article suggests? The fact all four codices, discovered in four separate places and times, all agree with one another suggests Textus Receptus (Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus) ADDED them in the 16th century AD. When the film was made the producers had to create the speach as no one remembered what brooks had said. Biblical quotations corrected on September 18, 2022. almost a millionaireAnd so if my little stash is diminshed little by little who will care? Thank you also for the many useful links provided. That leaves only Matthew 28:19 to support the doctrine of the Trinity. 2 Timothy 4 King James Version (KJV) Jesus would be ashamed that believers still foment hatred toward His holy Church. Here is Matthew 16:14. See following corroborative analysis comparing the two Alexandrian codices (Vaticanus B and Sinaiticus Aleph) How do the >English< translations of Mark 16.1-14 match word for word in KJV and , yet don't in Matt 6.9-13? Read Edward F. Hills Believing Bible Study. If this were true, the absence of resurrection in Mark would not be a problem because it appears in the older Matthean gospel. Space does not allow me point out the mutilation of Codex Vaticanus (B). Last time I looked poison is stil poison no matter what kind it is. Whether Marks gospel is more definitive or not would be a moot issue if it was written as a subsequent addition to Johns. I am mainly interested in all the verses that were not in the oldest manuscripts. The Textus Receptus is the text that has been used for 2,000 years by Christians. If anyone is interested, a good place to start is the work of Dr Cooper. I will want a copy of the oldest new testament it is written how Jesus says it should be. It is one of the four great uncial codices. For the benefit of all who may have been following the discussion pertinent to the period of the Judges relevant to Acts 13:20 you will recall that The Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus were held up as being the correct scriptures to follow when considering the correct understanding of Acts 13:20. See Dr Bill Cooper PhD, ThD, The Forging of the Codex Sinaiticus and New Testament Fragments. This modified version from 1885 has the name "Revised Version".