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David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. Subscribe here. Well never understand how anybody can ignore the fact that murderers are dangerous, he said. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. Do you understand? And he'd be like(turns. After the pregnancy came to light, the film became a way to introduce Zachary to his father. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. David and Kate Bagby channeled their grief & anguish into changing some Canadian laws. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. This was the situation with Andrews son Zachary. In the early years, that included David writing a book, Dance With the Devil, about his sons and grandsons murders, and Kuennes documentary. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' And I said, `Who?' MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. He was like, `Eh, mm.' He said, `The psychotic bitch. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Why? to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. He was the whole world to them. She was deranged. She pushed it back in and cried some more. Far from experiencing the satisfaction of cracking a mystery, the viewer is likely to come away with a feeling of stymied sickness, of hitting the brick wall of a world gone wronga feeling which must be closer to the lived reality of violent tragedy. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? It was for custody of their grandchild who looked exactly like his father that they moved to the city of their sons killer. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. Sharing voices. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. MP Andrews was spurred on to the creation of this bill after seeing "Dear Zachary" at a March screening in Ottawa to which all Members of Parliament were invited. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? substance to it. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. Now, she sucked us in here, too. Cpl. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. Dear Zachary was the most honored film at Cinequest 18 in San Jose, receiving sustained standing ovations from packed houses at all 3 screenings and winning 2 awards - a Special Jury Award for Documentary Feature and the Audience Award. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. How the fuck do you live like that? Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Blu-Ray | DVD, BLU-RAY But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. They're like, `What do you mean?' MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. Also, today MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland introduced a bill in Parliament for its first reading that proposes a modification to Canada's bail code that would justify detention in custody for a suspect who is a potential danger to their own minor children. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. His father says, "I kissed him and held . MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? The apparent culprit was a woman named Shirley Turner, whom Bagby had dated but had broken up with on November 4th, in Latrobe, just before putting her on a plane to Council Bluffs, Iowa, where she lived at the time. People in the audience were literally weeping during the post-screening Q&A." Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. This is Defector, a new sports blog and media company. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Oh my god. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. IE 11 is not supported. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. And we came back. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." her. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. We did have him for a little while, she said. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. He's a little bleary eyed, but. The film ends with the Bagbys and their relatives, friends, and colleagues reflecting on the father and son, as well as the . In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. They are selfless. There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. 1 Photo. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. -, "You don't just view what's happening on the screen -- you live it through every gasp and every tear, and every bit of exasperated anger(resulting) in one powerful standing ovation, the likes of which I have never seen at Hot Docs beforeDear Zachary will move you. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. Dear Zachary is as devastating as it is because it unravels the way bad things unravel in real life. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. Blood red screen. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Dear Zachary will have its World Premiere at the Slamdance Film Festival, January 17-25, 2008 in Park City, Utah! January 15, 2008: -Drafted and finalized press releases, articles, annual reports, websites, earnings releases and investor . Well, I said, `Bring some beer. MORRISON: But then things changed. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. Then, suddenly, tears. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. murderer in check. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. "One of the best documentaries I have ever seen in my entire life a film that will rock you to your core. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Kathryn Schulz, reviewing Making a Murderer recently inThe New Yorker, described howtrue-crime projects can allow for bias to masquerade as objectivity and for people (particularly victims and their families) to be reduced to plot points. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. She was coming here to take care of me. decision. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. February 24, 2009: I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. Remember these two things as I go on. Slamdance Film Festival book signing! We need each other, have each other to get through this.". Is it OK? Instead, the films dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagbys parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their sons body. the water. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. Click here for ticket information! "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Creating stronger communities. -, "Some of the week's biggest flicks aren't at Sundancefilmmakers have praised Slamdance film. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Kuenne finished his documentary and dedicated it to the memories of both Bagby and Zachary. The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death.