Bob, I loved your comment. Actually are pews still in general use? With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. @wartwatch Not even the milk toast "We regret if anyone was offended"? But one morning as I sat at my desk in y basement office, I looked up at my little bulletin board. I read your comment and have thought about this a lot. I call that tragic because there are still a lot of honest pastors and churches out there. Going forward, we are committed to doing a better job of encouraging and maintaining the procedures necessary to keep people safe and secure, James River Church officials explained. Ill talk to you more tomorrow, so dont forget to check back! "Homosexual activity will lead to destruction. He said it makes sense that the word "sin" would appear multiple times in a Biblical discussion of homosexuality. Unless of course, they give up the celebrity/money/position and go into obscurity getting real jobs. We live in a youtube world where fun and funny trump all. I hope more will speak up in the future. Seems odd that Robert, Tom Lane and Jimmy Evans need to be pounding their book sales so hard when they are all getting raptured in the next 3.5 years. well this world is full of executives that get caught in sin and crime and immorality that give wonderful speeches of how sorry they are and then they turn around and get a promotion and never give a single thought to the people they destroyed on their way to the top. Has he asked them to forgive him? None of them see anything wrong with this. Clear All United States - All Cities yelling at the referees for too many seasons. They dont (want to) get it. You would have thought Piper would have caught on at some point. 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I am the way and the truth, no one comes to the Father, but through Me -Jesus, all those who call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved!. Also, there is a difference, IMO, between forgiveness and trust restoration. I could not exactly put my finger on what was wrong. If it is all about numbers and money it would be a wild ride for about five or ten years till it crashes. Your facts are a bit off, beginning with the meaning of Che. I am no fan of his, but there are some big holes in your acvount of his life. It seems like the big megas tend to adopt or embrace some of the sleazier or ungodly aspects of other churches verses the more positive programs like community services. kinda like a person who has been abused i think, they sometimes have to get past that people may judge them for being stupid for falling for it, or they have to reconcile with the results of them speaking out, shunning, slander ie: the church calls them heretics because they dont attend anymore. i think they ended up closing them or not being involved in them anymore, there is an american branch of them now though. I guess Calvinism for these guys means never having to take personal responsibility. BTW they didnt have a head worship pastor. Seems like the truth being covered, twisted, remade, ignored is what keeps these people in power and LTs post brings the truth as it actually is back to the forefront. Nancy The reason why I answered like that is because most of this stuff goes on because the pew sitters are not actively involved in the church operatons and are not demanding openess and transparancy of staff and leaders. instead i find now that the Lord uses other christians to confirm things He has shown me, instead of the Lord teaching me things that others say i should believe and me just accepting them as the word of God because the guy has a position or written a book or is promoted by other pastors. 1 point: homosexuality is a sin, according to the Bible, and Christians should vote for repeal. When he walked up to speak with me I politely told him neednt spend time with me because I lived about 4 hours away RT and, therefore, wouldnt be attending his church again. kudos to the hosts of the aussie tv show that made brian huston look at the absolute facts and rediculousness of his supporting (and paying for) an american mega pastor who is well known in christian circuits I use the term rediculous because I dont want to be mean or judgmental, but I believe that brian was all for helping mark get back in the saddle until it cost him some publicity. Your comment about magic words reminded me of Simon the Magician in Acts who was so popular and had all kinds of attention because of his magic performances. Im sure someone wittier than I can do something with his Training ourselves to sense right from wrong. I think that the only way to self regulate is to have benchmarks that people must reach to be in leadership positions. No special event meet and greet for high dollar donors. And he was not originally trusted or met with open arms by the Jesus believers of the day. First, he begins by praying that he wants to make this time just about God and His people; yet he appears to take the stories of Stephen and Paul and apply them to his own circumstance at least that's how it sounded to me. it is so sad it breaks my heart. He repeated what he has said in the past: He believes if the issue is to be addressed it should be done at the federal level. Your comment is insightful and probably (for the AoG churches) right on the money. Have you noticed the more scandals from some thugs they actually become more popular? Are you not voting for the candidates and issues Gateway told you to? Very simple. But it would be encouraging if they did. Then he stated emphatically: Now let me just say this to you today cause I have no apology for Mark being there; Im glad Marks here. It is like anyone else that works hard to build something. Our heart at James River Church has always been to minister to people in our community. What is the biblical prescription for sinning Elders? Thanks for that recommendation. We would be interested in any thoughts you may have regarding Mark Driscoll's message. The women say as part of the program they were taught to believe that they were possessed by the devil, and have since been forced to receive years of professional psychiatric treatment. By the way, what do you call a person who tells lies? It is possible for someone who is engaged in homosexual behavior to stop.". The he takes him back to Antioch where they work together for a year with converted Gentiles. I dont think it is realistic. Every week seems to get more strange and more openly cult like. I am thinking that is no doubt true, but Saul/Paul was also a religious activist who had double crossed his former sponsors in Jerusalem who had given him credentials to go seek out believers for persecution. In December 2007, Merle and I quietly left Mars Hill Church. 6100 N 19th St Ozark, MO 65721 Directions. I asked the mayor, specifically, how he will vote on the matter April 7. We dont hear about them so much, unfortunately, because they are not so concerned with informing the world about their humility. Treating the congregation as customers is pure evil, IMO. . notable pastors have been pouring into his life. He is a draw. I am thinking visitors, right? They worked hard to get where they are and make the assocations that would help them. They didnt fail. Join thousands of others to get the FREEDOM POST newsletter for free, sent twice a week from The Christian Post. No one except lemmings following blindly to where the MoG leads believes them when they say that they only learned about certain facts recently. Mark is playing the victim. Don't you know that the way he behaved and treated people is no big deal? We know that Driscoll should never have been a pastor: lack of formal qualifications, lack of maturity in the faith (too young, and never been a member of a church before he started his own), lack of maturity in general; Whats worse, total lack of good character. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. @ Nancy: If a pastor says anything positive about another pastor, they have something to hide. So glad for the folks that started the petition to dis-invite Driscoll, which I signed as well as for those in Australia who protested his abusive, un-Christian behavior toward others, including women. Yet its everywhere in the US and Australia. 15 But the Lord said to Ananias, Go! I would hope we should higher standards than that. We have been led by God to support another ministry. Almost all of them pointed to Gods leading. It certainly looked like they had been coached on what to say. It probably did. Dont get Left Behind. Many times it kept me from feeling like I was the only one who could see this stuff or understood how wrong it is. This guy has lists on his page in bulleted form: Some of the current worship songs that I hear dont do too much for me. But Christians are under the New Covenant and the NT calls Christians to expose false teachers, not facilitate their cover ups. Is this similar to Radical Chic? At that time, although I led Agathos, I was not taking a salary from Agathos. http://www.smh.com.au/national/hillsong-conference-shows-interview-with-controversial-us-pastor-mark-driscoll-20150630-gi1y6d.html, As a follow-up (Sydney Morning Herald 1 July 2015), Hillsong conference shows interview with controversial US Pastor, Mark Driscoll. Anyone who invites Driscoll without knowing his background also displays no judgement. shuning is not always done professionally as in TVC but so often done whisperingly in churches but the effect is the same to the person shunned. I think it should lie with the one who broke the trust in the first place. Thats how reasonable people see past the wicked. There could be some better teaching on this but too many appear to receive their teaching from celebrity pastors who then take advantage of them. Did Driscoll forget about the part where Saul went away for years after his conversion. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. Mark pretty much mandated participation in weekly Life Groups plus you had to use their social media platform The City to stay connected. Actually are pews still in general use? As I said, I am not a fan, but I can see the appeal of *his image,* from way back in the late 60s when posters of him 1st started appearing in college dorms. The carpet was worn. "Martin Luther, the great reformer, said this: 'If you preach the gospel in all aspects with the exception of the issues which deal specifically with your time you are not preaching the gospel at all.' Driscoll was never really qualified to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the first place he proved that time and time again by his un-Christlike behavior in word and action. Now the shock will be realizing how far theyve strayed from those virtues. They knew exactly what they were buying. Gus, it is very naive not to take into consideration that Driscolls constant media attention did not influence the TVC response to their own problem in any way. . Here are just some of the phrases he uses as he shares the story. So many use Ches image as some sort of inspirational symbol. I know people are tired of hearing these messages and having to be acting upon them, but the virus does not care that we are tired. A cynical, weary part of me says theyll never change. I am also pretty sure the accounts of his instrumental role in bringing Russian nuclear-armed ballistic missiles to Cuba to be used against the US were not purely fabricated, so I did not believe I was disseminating false information at the time I wrote that. It didnt occur to me because I havent seen that modeled in a very long time. There is no reason why he should be a pastor again. I never saw it tried in a church setting, but something like that was tried where I worked. Its the same game he has played. "In other words, you can believe what you want within the confines of the four walls of the church as long as you don't live it outside of the church.". In his case, [Pauls] trust had to be earned, for obvious reasons. Its just that it isnt what a NT pastor of a group of Christians should be doing. What I do really pray for is that the followers start questioning and thinking about what they support and find freedom in their own seeking of Christ instead of following a guru and his interpretations. Right now i am in the second week of trying to help sort out a custody battle between two very wonderful young people. "I do not think, frankly, it is a matter of your business or Mr. Lindell's business or even my wife's business," Stephens told me. If there is one thing I know it is that those around Acts 29 circles are now in Mark who? If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, its a lie. Yes, I am familiar with Che and what he represents. Do my eyes deceive me? signed, Still Looking, first i wasnt refering to anything lindell wrote but only his intro for mark driscoll because i have never read anything he wrote and dont want to. Sometimes the writers have an agenda, at others, there is more of an assumption of knowledge that the original readers/hearers possessed that we dont. In case this was not a rhetorical question, the correct answer is entertainment. You cant speak in tongues? As the one did previously now the other is going thru the hoops of treatment and being checked on by outside agencies because being around the child is worth it. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? i have seen so much of what you wrote about to know that it is true, a big orchestrated show to fleece sheep and get fame. It was just a matter of time before New Calvinism found a way to resurrect its leading icon. They really believe that God has anointed the leaders to lead them. Hope youll give us another try and check out some other articles. There was no light show. This captures precisely what I have been sensing as well. His behaviour has been SO egregious, that I believe that he needs to stay out of anything that offers him a place of leadership or authority. I dont think many realize that in order to have real repentance they would have to give all that up. then mark goes on to teach us that we must forgive even if the person never admits wrong or says I am sorry: vengance is where you make someone pay. i havent seen any video or statement where he has actually apologized for anything except being mean when he should have been nicer in throwing people under the bus, shoulda offered them a pillow maybe so they didnt hit the ground so hard, but totally right in throwing them. Of course but that is so remote given the environment I am not holding my breath. Lindell doesnt have a real active blog, his third from last entry is titled: jesus example they put a robe on him a mockery of his kingship. What in the world could someone with his outlandish views contribute to conferences at Hillsong or James River? I think Dr Fundy left out the irony/sarcasm tags introduced with HTML 5.5. Question: @netgrace was involved with Vineyard Duluth and did a great job. peaceable disposition. There are plenty of people within the Christian faith that have their own issues with mega churches but people outside of it especially do. If he is serious about ministry then he needs to stay away from those circumstances which enable him to get into trouble-money, power and the pulpit. I seriously doubt that most younger people then or now who appropriate his image (here in N. America) know much of anything about him. He should not be making a buck off Jesus in any way, shape, or form, IMO. There were a number of other worship songs that roll on after this one, if these are your taste. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-07/royal-commission-child-sexual-abuse-investigates-hillsong/5795308 They want their congregations and the world at large to believe that there are no amount of misdeeds that a pastor can perform, no matter how egregious, that means they shouldnt be instantly forgiven and returned to the pulpit ASAP. That is certainly not an idea they got from the Bible. I am haunted by that infamous message where he appeared to use a Bible passage to describe what was about to happen to two Mars Hill elders. What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. We are passionate about . Galatians 5:22-23. @ sam: Thats an interesting thought. (Those wounded by MD) must forgive even if (MD) never admits wrong. Its all PR spin, because they got caught with their (or, pardon the metaphor, MDs) pants down. He had founded the church in 1996. Return to homepage. Where are all the former higly paid speaking gigs that were constant and kept his calendar full with travel? i want to again put a human face on what Mark Driscoll and others in Acts 29 insist on keeping free of anything but CEO Business speak and mistakes that were made. I do hope he finds wholeness. sam wrote: Mind you I find Driscoll a tool in case I havent made that obvious. Far as I can tell Driscoll is arrogant, a lover of money, unholy, not above reproach, etc. Hey Sam you may be interested in how Jews interpret the Mashiach (messiah) passages. Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation) they are plugged in several days a week, basically dropping out of their non-church activities. now it seems that it has just gone to big business making a dollar off of Jesus name and some easy to quote scriptures. So now is the time ta share with kind folks the destination of their eternal soul? I dont think theres been any repentance at all. I followed up on the link and have been sharing this song with families and friends! I have read many accounts that his nickname throughout life was el chancho (pig). (if you heard anything on the internet its not true, mark scrubbed his site already so if its on the internet a bunch of liars wrote it) we dont want to shoot the wounded. he smiles and there is love in his heart. How about the demon trials? this discussion you make today determines your destiny, God wants you to forgive. It shows also in our perception of ourselves and others when we still have areas of sin. And we in the real world of Jobs & Lives have to deal with the resulting Speshul Little Snowflakes. "He saw it for what it was. Click below for times and locations: Learn More Stronger Men's Bible Study 6am on Tuesdays | March 7th - April 11th, 2023 | All Campuses Tom Lane already draws a massive six figure salary yet it is never enough. In the future, people will tell churches and christians to distance themselves from the dishonesty of the dishonest churches. I told him that. I sincerely hope Mark Driscoll's remarks are about this specific passage and not about himself. his heart is revealed by the countenance of his face. (I guess angles smile a lot) . How they hold their hands, pat their hearts, stomp their feet, fall to their knees, wipe away fake tears, etc is all taught in classes. These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. The way I see things may be different in that I see the individuals in the Kingdom being more important than mediating organizations in the church universal. (KY3) - OZARK, Mo. Connect With Us! Humility? I'm not sure I find that expansion of "serious sin" cheating? The name Che is a nickname, short for pig (chancho), for a reason. I knew I was being set up when I watched MDs embedded church video posted here at TWW. Visitors are given special parking spaces, valets to accommodate them, some mega even have special VIP seating. He needs to start small, out of the public eye, not in front of thousands. The kid starts expecting it. I arrived a little late here, and this has likely already been mentioned (I havent read all comments). I am not the most wonderful guy in the world, i am not a saint, but when i asked Jesus to forgive me and fill me with His Spirit i changed inside. I began to see him as a marketing expert, who was producing what the young Reformed, technology driven market would respond to, and then marketing it in excellent ways. I will never forget the first time I was looking at an org chart of a mega while prepping to facilitate a planning session. Lydia on Sat Jun 13, 2015 at 12:48 here is a bit of what i could type out as he was speaking, would love to see a transcript of it instead of having to listen to it though. I have learned much on this blog and often from your comments which are intelligent and insightful. I completely understand why you are so skeptical. Of course he gave all kinds of excuses, Im young, brash, etc. But as he aged, and he spoke more and more, nothing changed, it got more vulgar, more illicit language, more rude, more obnoxious. Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. Until Mark repents of his Peasant Princess series along with its cartoon, and his Esther series, and his man stay-at-home man fail rants, the only sermon I will listen to of his and his supporters is John 3:16. Its much harder to leave that way. Who cares about that pesky truth so long as there are clean bathrooms, great hot coffee and rockin worship? Would you hire back the embezzler to count your cash drawer after he served a short sentence because you forgave him? How can they do that? James River Church is one of the largest Assemblies of God churches in the United States. of course i have no idea really what is driving mark driscoll but thats what i think it might be. I have heard Driscoll in person.. COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . 11 The Lord told him, Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. Even in the Roman Catholic Church, the obvious structure does not prevent sin or other problems, so I dont think it is a matter either of too much or not enough structure making us fall short of perfection. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. But he was not still throwing men and women (!)
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